Senators at Fb’s listening to final week used an analogy we’ve heard earlier than — that Huge Tech is having its Huge Tobacco second. Nevertheless it took a long time to enact significant laws with Huge Tobacco, and we may see the identical occur with tech corporations.
- Plus, the challenges of everlasting housing for Afghan refugees.
- And, the abysmal charge of feminine biographies on Wikipedia.
Company: Axios’ Ina Fried and Linh Ta, and Ladies in Crimson founder Roger Bamkin.
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NIALA BOODHOO: Good morning! Welcome to Axios At the moment!
It’s Tuesday October twelfth. I’m Niala Boodhoo.
Right here’s what you must know right this moment: the challenges of everlasting housing for Afghan refugees. Plus, the abysmal charge of feminine biographies on Wikipedia.
However first, Huge Tech’s Huge Tobacco second is right this moment’s One Huge Factor.
Senators on the Fb listening to final week utilizing an analogy we have heard earlier than, that huge tech is having its huge tobacco second. Properly, it took a long time to place actual laws on huge tobacco and Axios’ know-how correspondent Ina Fried is right here to inform us what may very well be subsequent for large tech corporations. Hey Ina.
INA FRIED: Hello Niala.
NIALA: Let’s first begin with, is that this a good comparability? Why are individuals making this?
INA: I believe it is a considerably truthful comparability. I believe it is not completely apt. It is truthful within the sense that, you recognize, you are speaking a couple of product that is broadly used, that additionally has some harms which can be moderately properly understood, however that the businesses have researched and identified, however tried to cover.
I believe one of many issues that is tremendous vital to remember is, while you speak about tobacco, you had been speaking about corporations that had been largely producing the identical factor after which they did not change a complete lot over time both.
So it was a reasonably static goal to go after. And even nonetheless, it took a long time to go from understanding that cigarettes had been dangerous to significant change by way of regulation and litigation and laws.
NIALA: What different challenges do you assume there are when it comes to quantifying the impact of social media when it comes to simply gathering knowledge about this?
INA: Properly, once more, you recognize, it was onerous even within the tobacco days to say, sure, you recognize, this individual obtained lung most cancers, they in all probability obtained it from smoking, however how do you show it. It is a lot harder after we’re speaking about know-how, as a result of how do you say that somebody was radicalized by social media or, you recognize, how do you quantify the harms of anti-vaccine or COVID misinformation? With tobacco, it was a mixture of regulation from the FDA legal guidelines from Congress and personal lawsuits. And I believe we are going to see the identical mixture of all three with tech, however I do assume we’re prone to take longer. After which the opposite piece that we have talked about is tech is a transferring goal. Oftentimes legislators specifically are taking a look at sort of tech because it was yesterday, not right this moment and definitely not tomorrow. nAnd I believe that is going to be one other actual hurdle.
NIALA: This complete dialog is making me notice that it is type of the hindsight of historical past that we predict there was or is uniform consensus round cigarettes, and that is as a result of it has been all of our lifetimes. What stage are we at with huge tech?
INA: Yeah. So if you concentrate on it, I imply my complete lifetime, and I am not that younger anymore, we knew cigarettes had been dangerous for you. Like there wasn’t a query. And there was nonetheless in my childhood. You recognize, individuals smoked on planes, there have been ashtrays in eating places. It was a very long time, not simply to choose the truth that there was clear hurt, however to do one thing about it. We’re nonetheless in a distinct stage with social media.We’re nonetheless having debates of, is it extra dangerous than useful? What are the harms? And I believe that the piece of the massive tobacco analogy that is most sobering is simply how lengthy it took to manage tobacco, which had fairly clear harms. Once more, the product wasn’t altering very quick and it was just about the identical when it comes to its well being impacts.
NIALA: So, you recognize, what are you anticipating to see subsequent, in terms of authorities regulation of Fb?
INA: I believe the factor that is most in our future is extra hearings. And the rationale hearings are so enticing to legislators is they do not truly should agree. So as to have laws to ensure that them to maneuver ahead, they’d should agree on what the issue is and right this moment they do not even agree on that. And extra difficult, they’d should agree on an answer. And plenty of people that know huge tech has an issue, who know social media has its issues aren’t actual clear on what the best options are, particularly if you are going to do it by way of laws, once more, the place you’ve got obtained the primary modification and different issues.
NIALA: Axios’ chief know-how correspondent, writer of the every day Axios Login publication, Ina Fried. Thanks, Ina.
INA: Thanks, Niala
NIALA: We’ll be again in 15 seconds with why a housing scarcity in Iowa is creating difficulties for refugee households.
NIALA: Welcome again to Axios At the moment! I am Niala Boodhoo.
A scarcity of housing in Iowa is making it tougher for nonprofits looking for properties to assist resettle about 700 Afghan refugee households. And so they’re not alone as cities and states work to resettle and home the 37,000 Afghan refugees throughout the U.S. Linh Ta is a reporter with Axios Des Moines and has the newest on what’s occurring in Iowa. Good morning, Linh.
LINH TA: Hey, thanks for having me.
NIALA: Linh – first, how are we serving to Afghan refugees discover everlasting housing?
LINH: Yeah, so there’s a variety of nonprofit organizations across the nation which can be working to assist resettle the households. And actually they’re looking for them everlasting housing so that they, they will have a secure and likewise steady scenario, however the subject in the meanwhile is that there simply is not housing out there.
NIALA: So Linh, if the housing stock is horrible, how are these nonprofits making an attempt to get round that and home these households?
LINH: Yeah, so the nonprofits are working with completely different prolonged keep inns – making an attempt to get them locations which have kitchens out there to allow them to put together their meals nevertheless they see match. The opposite factor that they are doing is that they’re simply asking for cash, you recognize, particularly with lease costs going up together with housing costs.They’re saying that individuals might need to donate garments or various things like that, however actually essentially the most helpful factor proper now could be simply money to have the ability to assist pay for lease.
NIALA: So this housing scarcity, is that this truthful to say that that is occurring all throughout the nation, as we take into consideration the truth that Afghan refugees are being resettled in 46 completely different states.
LINH: Most positively, Iowa will not be distinctive on this scenario, and it will doubtless be an issue throughout all the nation, as nonprofits in numerous states attempt to assist resettle everybody. You recognize, we have seen it from Charlotte, North Carolina, over to, to DC. That is anticipated to be a nationwide subject.
NIALA: That’s Axios Native reporter in Des Moines. Linh Ta. Thanks, Linh.
NIALA: Lower than 20% of Wikipedia biographies are about girls. Sure, I’ll repeat that. Lower than 20%. Which is why the volunteer Wikipedia group Ladies in Crimson is internet hosting a world 24-hour modifying marathon right this moment to enhance protection of girls on the positioning. It coincides with Ada Lovelace Day, which celebrates girls in stem and is called after the nineteenth century British mathematician considered the world’s first pc programmer. Ladies in Crimson co-founder Roger Bamkin joins us now from Scotland. Hello Roger.
ROGER BAMKIN: Hello!
NIALA: Roger, why is the variety of Wiki biographies of girls so low?
ROGER: Some individuals assume that it is attributable to the truth that we have solely obtained male editors. However truly, in the event you look again 20 years, it was 5% in paper encyclopedias. After we began taking a look at it, about six years in the past, it was 15 and a half p.c. And since then, we have moved it as much as be 19%, which is sort of a horrendous quantity of effort when you think about that there are about 1,000,000 and a half biographies. So truly creating sufficient to make that share change is sort of a substantial effort.
NIALA: So what is going to occur right this moment as persons are doing this modifying marathon, what does that imply?
ROGER: Properly, we have individuals beginning off the modifying in New Zealand. It then strikes over into Australia. And because the time zone strikes, we undergo Pakistan by way of Kenya. After which lastly again into New Zealand on the finish of the day. So for twenty-four hours, it is like a 24 hour zoom session, however fortunately, nobody individual needs to be there for twenty-four hours.
NIALA: Why do you assume that is so vital?
ROGER: As a result of I’ve obtained a granddaughter and my granddaughter is sitting there taking a look at some cell phone, considering that to be a notable individual, it might be a good suggestion to be a bloke. I do not like that concept. I am eliminating this historic patriarchy and the stays of it. We won’t do it this 12 months, however we are able to definitely mitigate it. We will definitely be sure that the lady hosts of podcasts perhaps get a Wikipedia article only a few weeks earlier than their male bosses.
NIALA: Mine may positively use updating. In order that’s a very good level. Thanks, Roger.
ROGER: Thanks very a lot.
NIALA: That’s all we’ve obtained for you right this moment!
I’m Niala Boodhoo – thanks for listening – keep secure and we’ll see you again right here tomorrow morning.